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Oso
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posted 11-29-2004 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oso   Click Here to Email Oso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, I've come across your most interesting website in search of a quotation. I wonder if any of you medieval scholars can help me find it. I read it somewhere many years ago, before there was an internet, but have forgotten the author, the source and all but the general gist of it.

It was by a Moorish or Saracen writer, warning about the Normans in a rather negative way, and went something like this:

"Beware the Normans, for they are a treacherous race, much enamored of fine weapons and fast horses..."

My interest? Well,I'm a Norman and my father, my brothers and I have always enjoyed our gun collections & such and my eldest brother used to race NASCAR. If I can find the quotation, I'd like to put it on plaques as Christmas presents for the family.

Thank you for any help you can give me in this quest.

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Marshal
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posted 12-05-2004 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marshal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was actually a Norman monk, Geoffrey Malaterra, writing in the 12th century. Not sure which of his writings it was from.

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Oso
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posted 12-06-2004 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oso   Click Here to Email Oso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I could have sworn it was a Saracen. I'll try to look up Geoffrey's stuff.

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Oso
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posted 12-06-2004 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Oso   Click Here to Email Oso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geoffrey Malaterra characterized the Normans as

"specially marked by cunning, despising their own inheritance in the hope of winning a greater, eager after both gain and dominion, given to imitation of all kinds, holding a certain mean between lavishness and greediness, that is, perhaps uniting, as they certainly did, these two seemingly opposite qualities. Their chief men were specially lavish through their desire of good report. They were, moreover, a race skilful in flattery, given to the study of eloquence, so that the very boys were orators, a race altogether unbridled unless held firmly down by the yoke of justice. They were enduring of toil, hunger, and cold whenever fortune laid it on them, given to hunting and hawking, delighting in the pleasure of horses, and of all the weapons and garb of war."

Well, that's pretty close to what I remember.

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Artorius
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posted 12-11-2004 03:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Artorius   Click Here to Email Artorius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like a well written and pretty accurate characterization of the 'Gens Normannum' as a whole.
A quite admirable set of qualities (for the most part anyway).
"Ow, what a most tenacious people they were; what little bounds their ambitions did know."
-My own quote.
Artorius

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