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Gohan_1985 Member	posted 01-28-2002 05:13 PM does anyone know the laws on having swords in the us? if so what are they? the people i asked told me "don't worry your not a criminal so you don't have anything to fear about them(police)taking them away..." is that true or not? ------------------ Most school shootings would stop if everyone carried a sword and didn't take the crap from the sissy that is holding the gun. IP: 63.11.155.11
dsunlin Member	posted 01-28-2002 05:36 PM AFAIK, criminal code in the United States is determined at the state level. So, the short answer is, your mileage may vary. There is also room for interpretation on the terms "dangerous or deadly weapon", which means that if you are lucky enough to be dealing with an intelligent, open-minded officer of the law, and you comport yourself as a serious student of medieval weapons, then you may find leniency. On the other hand, I never get tired of telling people about getting picked up with a machete and a boot knife. The boot knife, as it was double-edged, was a felony to carry, busted down to misdemeanor, the machete was returned with an apology. IP: 12.146.128.13
Falconer Member	posted 01-28-2002 06:22 PM Those laws vary from city to city. To find out what they are, go down to the library and look in the city codes. ------------------ "I have a fine hawk for the bush." -William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor IP: 12.230.243.119
Arundel Member	posted 01-28-2002 08:54 PM Yeah it varies a lot, where I Iive its perfectly legal as long as it's not concealed, and for $50 you can get a permit to carry concealed. IP: 12.32.34.18
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 01-30-2002 10:42 AM i looked on the internet for some help and i couldn't find any, is there any sites that can help me, i live in southern michigan. thanks for your help. - Gohan ------------------ Most school shootings would stop if everyone carried a sword and didn't take the crap from the sissy that is holding the gun. IP: 198.111.240.22
Falconer Member	posted 01-30-2002 12:17 PM Yeah,you can go to your police department's web site and email them. IP: 12.230.243.119
Marshal Member	posted 01-30-2002 06:23 PM www.packing.org has a state-by-state list of weapons laws. It's gun-oriented, but I don't know of any state that has separate rules for swords---in most places they're all lumped together as "deadly weapons" ( some of which are also "prohibited weapons", like sawn-off shotguns or belt-buckle knives ). So you should be able to tell how swords are treated from that... And if not, there's a question forum as well. [This message has been edited by Marshal (edited 01-30-2002).] IP: 206.20.197.18
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 01-31-2002 06:09 AM thanks alot for the site. -Gohan ------------------ Most school shootings would stop if everyone carried a sword and didn't take the crap from the sissy that is holding the gun. IP: 63.11.155.1
FullerH Administrator	posted 01-31-2002 05:07 PM Gohan, check out ths site. It is part of the much, much larger BladeForums.com, but they havew some very knowledgeable people over there when it comes to knowing or finding laws on sharp and pointy things. Just don't let the politics get to you, they don't really bite! http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=735 ------------------ Trying to Walk in the Light, Hugh IP: 204.192.28.22
Sikandur Member	posted 01-31-2002 05:16 PM Gohan--if you do email your local constabulary, you might want to consider not using that signature line. IP: 24.45.130.229
RW Member	posted 02-05-2002 04:43 AM In Texas, any blade over 5.5" is prohibited for public carry, any double-edged blade, any spear or tomahawk, any edged weapon designed to be thrown (throwing stars), and any knife opened by spring or gravity (includes butterfly knives). ------------------ Women want me, and feral hogs fear me IP: 204.167.249.64
Marshal Member	posted 02-05-2002 05:23 PM See, this is what's so puzzling. If you go to a largish SCA event, for instance, you'll see all of those things and more in abundance... IP: 206.20.197.18
qwer9182 Member	posted 02-05-2002 05:58 PM Hello, I am a bit confused after reading these threads, as I didn't even know there were any "sword laws." I don't have a sword, so I didn't really need to know what they are, but am starting to get curious. My minor (under age 18) friend told me that he had one during a conversation. But we did not discuss any further on that topic. I want to know what the laws are for the U.S. regarding this matter. BTW, we are in Ohio. Thanks, and any advice is appreciated. IP: 162.40.59.116
Piotr Member	posted 02-08-2002 12:33 AM If you happen to be a member of the S.C.A. it is always a helpful thing to have your membership card handy. With that and an event nearby the police and general public tend to be relatively considerate. I occasionaly forget to remove my dagger when stopping at restaraunts, gas stations and the like and it has never been a problem. Except for the little kids that have gotten all excited about it. As far as ohio revised code is concerned there doesn't seem to be much on the books other than the prohibition against switchblades. see 2923.11 for prohbited weapons, 2923.021 was Repealed which was te section banning switchblades. I haven't found any newer code supplanting that ban. But that doesn't mean it hasn't been done the ohio revised Code I have access to is about one year out of date. Alsom it must be stressed that local ordinance can and do take precedence over the general lack of state ordinances. Talk to a cop it is worth the effort. IP: 216.4.239.146
Falconer Member	posted 02-08-2002 12:48 AM The only ways to find out are to ask someone in your local legal system, someone from your local Police Department, or to look in the city codes at your library. Every city has different laws pertaining to this matter, and I can guarantee you that noone here knows yours, unless they happen to live in your city. That's about as clear and as helpful as I (or anyone else, for that matter), can be. P.S. And, just so you know, whenever you're dealing with anything out-of-the-ordinary, and especially something potentially harmful, there's going to be laws. ------------------ "I have a fine hawk for the bush." -William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor IP: 63.20.233.150
Christian de Westborn New Member	posted 02-08-2002 12:13 PM Here in California there are laws prohibiting double-edged blades and concealed blades. But if you were to own a single-edged sword and were to walk down the street with it in a scabbard, you'd be perfectly legal so long as you did not violate Section 417PC which prohibits "brandishing" of weapons. This can be as little as resting your hand on the grip of the weapon. The worst I have ever experienced was two jumpy county sheriff's deputies who drew down on me. After I put the sword on the hood of their cruiser, they gave me a ride to where I was going. This happened about six or seven years ago - reaction may be different now with all the hubbub around the country. But it's still cheaper than a taxi.... ------------------ IP: 206.170.34.13
Gohan_1985 Member	posted 02-09-2002 01:25 PM thanks for everyones help on the subject. i really appreciated it. i also have one more question if anyone can answer i don't know... i found out about a permit to carry "concealed" weapons that would allow me to carry it as long as i didn't take it into any place of business and i can't even touch the handle of it even if i was just to change it's possition because it could be taken as hostility. but i tried to explain that if i carried it, it would be out in the open strapped to me side or back since it is a claymore my back, and they said that if a police officer saw me with it they would confinscate it even with a permit to do a background check. so i think that if there isn't a loop hole somewhere it would be a lot easier just not carrying it. so can you guys please help me out in finding a loop hole if possible? thanks for your help you guys have alwaysed helped me before so i hope you can now. -Gohan IP: 67.217.18.15
Falconer Member	posted 02-09-2002 02:09 PM Well, that's the trick. See, to find a loophole, we need to look through your city code books... I say, if it's that much of a hastle to carry it, why bother? But good luck in your loophole search, anyway. P.S. You might consider talking to an attorney. They're always good at finding loopholes in the law. Seriously, though. That might be your best bet for a loophole. ------------------ "I have a fine hawk for the bush." -William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor IP: 63.26.144.162
Sikandur Member	posted 02-09-2002 09:02 PM quote: ...since it is a claymore my back, and they said that if a police officer saw me with it they would confinscate it even with a permit to do a background check. so i think that if there isn't a loop hole somewhere it would be a lot easier just not carrying it. I can't think of a single loophole. quote: "I have a fine hawk for the bush." I'm sure it's very fine indeed, Falconer. You've 'pointed' up the need for something this forum lacks, and no other forum of this sort (to my knowledge) offers--a "personals" forum for the edged-weapon afflicted. You might consider emailing Wizard on this one. It would be a first in the sword community. IP: 24.45.130.229
Falconer Member	posted 02-11-2002 08:59 PM "edged-weapon afflicted" And just what, pray, do you mean by that? If I'm not mistaken, afflicted is a physical or mentalstate of pain and/or suffering. Are you somehow implying that I'm in a painful mental state when it comes to edged weapons? Or am I just being defensive, and taking this out of context? [This message has been edited by Falconer (edited 02-12-2002).] IP: 63.20.233.66
Sikandur Member	posted 02-12-2002 05:43 PM Well, it's possible your being a little defensive. But if so, I fear it's my fault. By "edged-weapon afflicted", I meant those of us who have fallen under the spell of sharp pointy things. Which would include most of us who post (and perhaps lurk) here. I suppose I could have said something like "for those of us who have developed an obsession with edged weapons". But that seems a bit wordy. As far as a "mental state of pain and/or suffering", you have only to listen to those who have ordered a sword and are waiting for it to arrive. Especially when it is late. True pain and suffering. Rest assured, though, that the phrase wasn't meant to apply to you personally, but to our community. Your signature line simply inspired me. IP: 24.45.130.229
Falconer Member	posted 02-12-2002 06:06 PM Oh, then my apologies. Even since that little debate with Tomaz, I've been kind of defensive. Funny what you said about the state of someone waiting for something to arrive. Not just funny 'hah-hah', either. I'm currently waiting for a check to get delivered so I can get my bow shipped out to me. So far, it's two days late. Still, it could have arrived and I just couldn't have heard of it, but still... I'd say I'm in that mental state, checking my inbox avery half-hour Sorry for the miscontrution, -Ian ------------------ "I have a fine hawk for the bush." -William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor [This message has been edited by Falconer (edited 02-12-2002).] IP: 63.26.144.88
qwer9182 Member	posted 02-19-2002 06:08 PM I recall reading about not being able to take a sword into places of business and government buildings, but what if you enter somebody's home with one? What about somebody else's home in which or live, or an apartment building? Within a few months I will be 18, which means that I can legally purchase a sword, right? But what limitations do I have as far as keeping it somewhere? I do not own my own home. "Transporting" it in a car is legal, right? The only problem with that is what to do when I drive to school (they claim to do random searches of cars parked there, so that obviously won't work). Although I do work in a library, I was unable to find any information, and don't really feel like asking my co-workers about information. IP: 162.40.33.123
Falconer Member	posted 02-19-2002 07:28 PM Well, about if you took it into someone's home, that is were the government stops. It's up to the people how live there. A sword will basically have the same limitations of a firearm, knife, kabar, machete or anything else. I think the only widespread, common laws are you can't threaten anyone with it (make an intimidating gesture), and can't take it into a place of business. Anything about school or any other kind of private ownership of something (i.e. a home) is generally not under governmental jurisdiction. About your home and your car... Are you serious??? We don't live in a communist society, ya know. What you do in your home and in your car is your own business. (And that BS about random searches of students' cars is so incredibly un-constitutional it isn't even funny! Somebody should call them on it...) Anyway, I wouldn't recommend keeping it in your car. Just stick it on the wall of your home. Doesn't matter if you own, rent, have a condo, apartment or whatever. The only thing that could bar you from keeping a sword is if there is something in the renter's agreement that says 'NO WEAPONS', and I seriously doubt that there is. Hope this helps! ------------------ "I have a fine hawk for the bush." -William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor [This message has been edited by Falconer (edited 02-19-2002).] IP: 4.62.215.104
qwer9182 Member	posted 02-19-2002 08:46 PM Well, I was concerned about things like an apartment, because although you may live in your apartment, you still may have to take the sword though public hallways, elevators, and stairwells that are shared by other residents, and that it may be taken the wrong way, etc. I don't know how sensitive a subject swords are (or even guns are, for that matter). IP: 162.40.33.123

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