|
 NetSword Discussion Forums
 NetSword Medieval Weapons Discussion
 Best Dagger ever
|
 UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Author | Topic: Best Dagger ever |
|
Sirius Member |
posted 02-05-2004 08:46 AM
   
What is in your opinion the best dagger design ever? I like the Applegate best. IP: 145.64.134.241 |
|
Allen Reed Member |
posted 02-05-2004 12:16 PM
quote: Do you mean an actual two edge thrust oriented blade? Or are you referring to any fighting knife? If the former the Applegate is woefully short on any guard for protecting the hand. If the latter I am a proponent of the bowie knife as the best fighting knife ever developed. Allen IP: 149.101.1.126 |
|
Stuart McDermid Member |
posted 02-05-2004 04:28 PM
quote: I would have to go with Sirius. The Applegate-Fairbairn is really well thought out. Lets take a good look at the bowie knife. Apart from not being daggers and therefore not really in the running for "best dagger ever" bowies are designed for duelling against other daggers. The Applegate is not really designed for knife on knife work but for killing unarmed men whether by stalking or on a charge as quickly and efficiently as possible. The Applegate is the length it is because it's length was considered a good enough length for killing whilst being easy on the draw and difficult for an enemy to grab. If I could carry any defensive knife in this hoplophobic excuse for a free society I live in (Australia) then it would be an Applegate Fairbairn folder. IP: 203.111.169.1 |
|
Benny Moore Member |
posted 02-05-2004 10:18 PM
Why has no one mentioned Al Massey? How about Angus Trim? Michael Tinker Pierce? Surely knife companies are not the accepted standard for daggers! The term "knife on knife" does not sit easy with me. Although I have no hands on experience (fortunately), I have learned from military types that you don't do "knife on knife" like you do with swords. Knife fights are more basic, like a fist fight with mortal consequences. As one Navy SEAL put it, "If you get into a knife fight, you are going to get cut." IP: 24.52.196.70 |
|
Fleadh Member |
posted 02-06-2004 04:35 AM
The term I hear was after a knife fight one goes to the morgue and the other to hospital. Myself I think the SS/swiss/holbien dagger style is a wonderful multipurpose dagger.
IP: 159.134.222.175 |
|
Max Member |
posted 02-06-2004 11:49 AM
I like the Applegate-Fairbairn, too. Of older designs, the ballock dagger and Scottish dirks have always held some special appeal to me. IP: 82.141.83.221 |
|
Connor Member |
posted 02-06-2004 09:52 PM
I'm quite fond of the bowie, meself. ------------------ IP: 65.29.202.250 |
|
Rob Lovett Member |
posted 02-07-2004 03:13 AM
I have to agree with the consenus here, Applegate-Fairburn is a very nice blade. Works very well, and is versatile, being able to deal with heavy clothing and still being light and responsive enough for quick point and edge work. Still in my opinion one should never discount the honest screwdriver, biro, or mobile phone with an ariel Incidentally my favourite weapon at the moment is my wallet, Stu may get this Benny, the knives being discussed are designs not specific ones from a maker per se. Regards IP: 217.43.27.1 |
|
Max Member |
posted 02-07-2004 03:51 AM
quote: Have you been watching Karate Kid 2, perhaps...? IP: 82.141.83.156 |
|
Stuart McDermid Member |
posted 02-07-2004 05:04 PM
Hey Rob, Yeah, the wallet is a great weapon. People are going to ask you to get it out in a real situation aren't they. Load the thing with change and you have a nice sap. A chap named Fred Perrin has actually invented a wallet with it's use as a sap in mind... IP: 211.29.136.11 |
|
Benny Moore Member |
posted 02-08-2004 03:34 PM
I just wasted about an hour trying to find some serious daggers. I could find almost no pictures of orignal daggers, and even less serious reproductions. Al Massey and Michael Tinker Pierce are the only makers I could find that make good daggers. Knife companies do not make good daggers. The dagger I've found that comes closest to my specifications is Arms and Armor's Crusader Dagger. Does anyone know of other daggers similar to this, hopefully original? IP: 24.52.196.70 |
|
Dave Member |
posted 02-08-2004 03:59 PM
Lutel have some nice medieval daggers: http://www.lutel.cz/index2e.htm Also a German two-handed sabre for some reason.. IP: 194.165.162.176 |
|
Bill Grandy Member |
posted 02-08-2004 04:30 PM
Some fantastic pics of original daggers: http://www.myarmoury.com/albums/thumbnails.php?album=14 IP: 68.100.48.154 |
|
Marshal Member |
posted 02-09-2004 07:15 PM
Heh, wallet-saps! What a concept!  Used to be you could buy wallet-holsters for small pistols like the Seecamp that'd serve the same sort of makeshift: "Gimme yer wallet!" "Why certainly!" IP: 159.87.49.218 |
|
Benny Moore Member |
posted 02-09-2004 10:17 PM
Thanks for the links... Say, can you find any for older, more "traditional" daggers as opposed to the parrying daggers that are almost all that is found on those sites? What happened to all of the original daggers that look like something like Angus Trim's daggers or that Arms and Armor's Crusader Dagger? I really like Angus Trim's daggers, but there's one thing that really bugs me. The crosspieces are greatly oversized. A dagger doesn't need a crosspiece the size of a sword's. Daggers were not necessarily designed to be concealable, but they were designed for everyday use. It was something you always carried, and used for common things such as eating. Again, I point out Arms and Armor's Crusader Dagger as being the dagger that strikes me as being the "classic" dagger. Why do I not find more like it, and where are all of the originals? IP: 24.52.196.70 |
|
Benny Moore Member |
posted 02-11-2004 01:08 AM
http://www.armor.com/2000/catalog/images/130.jpg http://www.casiberia.com/casiberia/cas_website/images/products/fs/2501-AM.jpg http://www.casiberia.com/casiberia/cas_website/images/products/fs/2503-AM.jpg Here's what I mean by "classic daggers." Unfortunately, I could not a find a picture of either an original or a serious reproduction, although I suppose Arms and Armor's not too bad. CAS Iberia sure is, though. Bleargh... IP: 24.52.196.70 |
|
Benny Moore Member |
posted 02-11-2004 10:09 PM
Hello? Is anyone listening out there? IP: 24.52.196.70 |
|
Triton2 Member |
posted 02-12-2004 07:26 AM
I've handled several of Arms and Armor's daggers over the years and I can say that they are as good as if not better then they look. They are solid, well made and a heck of a buy for the price. If you want an original medieval dagger there are sites that specialize in that sort of thing and there are also always the major auction houses. Of course you can expect to pay rather a lot for one and then you would never want to use it. If you are talking about daggers by custom makers, there are a plethora of folks that could probably do that sort of thing for you. ------------------ IP: 192.35.84.5 |
|
apt142 Member |
posted 02-13-2004 08:52 AM
quote: Back when it used to be popular, my younger brother used to have one of those wallets with a chain attached to it. They were pretty popular with bikers and skateboarders at the time. He ended up replacing the 1/4 inch chain with 1 inch thick chain. At about 3 feet in length, it could've made for an impressive weapon. IP: 166.82.109.231 |
|
Jeff Johnson Member |
posted 02-17-2004 10:00 PM
quote: Nope. Not listening. Those sword-hilted daggers are really not that "classic". They aren't prevalent in any period. Look at historical artwork and you wil find baselards, rondels, ballocks - all sorts of daggers, but almost never ones shaped like those in your links. I blame D&D. IP: 68.227.205.227 |
|
I.C. Koets Administrator |
posted 02-18-2004 05:38 PM
The Fairbairn-Sykes and its offspring are good little daggers, although I would not consider them best. I really like the rondel: Normally a good long pointy blade, two disks to keep your hand in place during the most violent maneuvers, reasonable protection for the hand, compact and a bit trickier to disarm than those daggers with pieces of handle sticking out of the fist. IP: 145.94.92.176 |
|
Stuart McDermid Member |
posted 02-18-2004 05:44 PM
quote: Hi IC, A rondel dagger may not be able to be disarmed via the handle but the relative bluntness and length of the blade means that you have a weapon with a nice long lever on it that can be grabbed without harm to take the weapon from your hand. With your fist locked onto a rondel, any twist disarm attempted on the blade is going to hurt your hand...alot. IP: 203.111.169.1 |
|
Kel Rekuta Member |
posted 02-19-2004 08:24 AM
quote: Hey Stu, That's what your other hand is for, counter remedies! Cheers! Kel Rekuta IP: 64.231.192.164 |
|
I.C. Koets Administrator |
posted 02-19-2004 10:48 PM
Originally posted by Stuart McDermid: A rondel dagger may not be able to be disarmed via the handle but the relative bluntness and length of the blade means that you have a weapon with a nice long lever on it that can be grabbed without harm to take the weapon from your hand. With your fist locked onto a rondel, any twist disarm attempted on the blade is going to hurt your hand...alot. I think that the weakness of the rondel you mention goes for any long-bladed dagger, whether relatively sharp or not. Also, I don't quite see how it should be harder to release from ones grip than a 'standard' dagger. It has its weaknesses, that much is true. I still think that it has its fortes, too! IP: 145.94.92.176 |
.
All times are CST, GMT-6 | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
  |
|
Contact Us |
NetSword
Netsword.com retains rights to all contained on this site. Writtem permission must be obtained for reprint.
Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47a